The Cyberlaw Podcast

In a delightfully iconoclastic new book, Jeremy Rabkin and John Yoo take the air out of 75 years of inflated claims about the law of war. They do it, not for its own sake, though God knows that would be enough, but as a prelude to discussing how to use the new weapons–robots, space, and cyber–that technology makes possible. Brian Egan and I interview Jeremy Rabkin about these and other aspects of “Striking Power: How Cyber, Robots, and Space Weapons Change the Rules for War."

In the news roundup, cell tower simulators, aka stingrays, take another hit as a divided DC Court of Appeals says warrants are required before they can be used.

Maury Shenk sees good news for industry in the recent meetings between Commissioner Jourova and Secretary Ross; the European Commission is giving every sign of wanting to avoid yet another fight over Privacy Shield, though hotter heads in Europe may yet prevail.

Brian Egan opines on Robert Strayer’s appointment as deputy assistant secretary of state for cyber and international communications and information policy–and the reorganization that his appointment cements for now.

Stewart and Jeremy unpack the implications of the CCleaner attack, and its lessons for advocates of hacking back.

The FTC took a hit–but not a fatal one–from Judge Donato in the D-Link case.

And the OPM breach suits have been dismissed; I conclude that the grounds for dismissal raise questions, but it was, in the end, a mercy killing, since maintaining a class was likely to be impossible.

Julian Assange’s effort to rebrand himself as something other than a Russian stooge spurs skepticism from the panel. As Maury points out, the (only) Russian data leak Wikileaks has posted is more marketing release than a blown whistle.

Embarrassingly, the SEC admits that it was hacked and that the stolen data was likely used for insider trading.

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Steptoe partner Stewart Baker (right) with Jeremy Rabkin.

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Our interview is with Jeanette Manfra, DHS’s Assistant Secretary for Cyber Security and Communications. We cover her agency’s binding directive to other civilian agencies to purge Kaspersky software from their systems, and her advice to victims of the Equifax breach (and to doctors who think that Abbott Labs’ heart implants don’t need a security patch because no one has been killed by hackers yet). I also ask how she’s doing at expanding civilian agency security from intrusion prevention to monitoring inside networks – and the future of her agency at DHS.

CFIUS is back in the news as President Trump kills his first deal on national security grounds. Stephen Heifetz explains what he did and what it means for roughly 15 more deals caught in CFIUS’s toils.

For those who are following the 702 Upstream issue from last week’s episode, a bipartisan group of House Judiciary members have come down on Liza Goitein’s side of the debate, saying they’ll abolish upstream collection “about” terrorists. Whether they can sell the moderates of both parties on that, especially in the Senate, remains to be seen.

Jennifer Quinn-Barabanov explains how bad things have gotten for Equifax: a delayed patching process that will be cast as negligent, dozens of class actions, an FTC investigation, multiple Congressional committee hearings, possible SEC inquiries, and the state attorneys general too. I point out that no one has suffered harm from the breach yet and question whether this disaster will look quite so bad in three or four months.

The Trump administration imposes its first cyber attack sanctions, against Iranian hackers. Stephen and I note that three astonishingly different Presidents have managed to pursue cyber policies that are more or less indistinguishable from each other.

I suggest a surprising likely victim of the Russian probe: the effort to enshrine in law the requirement that electronic provider content only be provided in response to a search warrant, not a subpoena. The social media companies that dealt with Russian advertisers have provided less information to the Senate intelligence committee than to Robert Mueller. Why? Because the Senate doesn’t issue search warrants. So if Congress adopts a statutory warrant requirement to get electronic content, it will doom Congressional committees to perennial second-class status in future investigations. I doubt Congress is going to want to do that.

In fact, I predict, Silicon Valley is in for a bad half decade in Washington, as left and right grow increasingly suspicious of the power of social media companies.

Finally, to close out the news on a legal note, Jennifer unpacks two recent and, ahem, “divergent” opinions of the Eighth Circuit on breach lawsuit standing.

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The Cyberlaw Podcast kicks off a series exploring section 702 – the half-US/half-foreign collection program that has proven effective against terrorists while also proving controversial with civil liberties groups.  With the program due to expire on December 31, we’ll examine the surveillance controversies spawned by the program. Today, we look at the “upstream” collection program under section 702.  We talk to Becky Richards, NSA’s Civil Liberties and Privacy and (whew!) Transparency Officer as well as Liza Goitein of the Brennan Center for Justice.

In the news, Equifax is taking a beating both for a massive and serious data breach and for a series of missteps in its mitigation effort.  Michael Vatis lays out the gory details.

Speaking of ugly, the climate for the online ad business is getting a lot worse, or so I predict, as Russia's use of social media ads and trolls gets attention in Washington.

Had enough?  Nope.  Now the European Court of Human Rights is piling on, limiting employers' right to monitor employees.  Maury Shenk explains the law; and I marvel at the court’s ability to take an obligation imposed on governments and turn it into a code of conduct for private employers.

But wait, it gets worse.  Symantec says that a hacker who looks a lot like the Russian government has installed sophisticated hacking tools on the networks that directly control US electric grid systems.  I predict that the Trump administration will do, well, nothing, following an Obama administration tradition in grid hacking cases.

OK, it’s not the power grid, but would you really want hackers to be able to tell your Echo, “Alexa, send me two metric tons of garbanzo beans overnight?”  Now, thanks to what I call the Evil Dolphin attack, they can do exactly that – with you in the room.  Quick, get all the Echos out of Marine World!

OK, here’s a bit of good news, or at least man-bites-dog news.  Maury reports that the European Court of Justice has sent Intel's $1.26 billion monopolization fine back to the European General Court.  Any time a European court doesn’t reach out to arbitrarily smack a US tech company, it’s cause for wonder.

In other news, Michael reports that Lenovo has settled (and pretty cheaply) with the FTC and a batch of states for installing spyware on its laptops.

To follow up on last week’s podcast, Best Buy has dumped Kaspersky software, so the mistrust virus is spreading from government to the private sector.

Finally, Uber, not content with God mode, also invented Hell, a program that fooled Lyft drivers into chasing fake customers.  Now Hell seems to have come for Uber, as it turns out the now-abandoned escapade might have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and is the subject of an SDNY/FBI probe.

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In Episode 177, fresh from hiatus, we try to summarize the most interesting cyber stories to break in August. Paul Rosenzweig kicks things off with the Shunning of Kaspersky. I argue that the most significant–though unsupported–claim about Kaspersky is Sen. Shaheen’s assertion that all of the company’s servers are in Russia. If true, that’s certainly an objective reason not to let Kaspersky install sensors in non-Russian computers. The question that remains is how much due process companies like Kaspersky should get. That’s a question unlikely to go away, as DOD is now comprehensively shunning DJI drones, issuing guidance that sounds a lot like Edward Snowden demanding that users uninstall all DJI apps and remove all batteries and storage media.

Speaking of companies the US government can’t trust, Paul and I note that Apple has lost control of its secure enclave software. At the same time, Apple has pulled VPN apps from the Apple store at the direction of the Chinese government. Tim Cook explains that this makes perfect sense because Chinese law is on the Chinese government’s side but US law was not on the US government’s side. Right. Sounds like Tim is as good at lawyering as he is at coding, or at finding new breakthrough products for that matter.

Alan Cohn offers a potentially groundbreaking IOT security act.

Maury Shenk lays out the future of UK data protection law after Brexit.

And Paul and I look for ways in which DNA malware could be used.

To everyone’s surprise, election hacking is still making news. I use the item to tease our latest plan–an open house Election Day special where a panel of experts debates election security in front of a live Steptoe audience.

Finally, in our long interview, Alan and Maury talk Bitcoin, blockchain, and distributed ledgers with Michael Mainelli, Co-Founder and Chairman of Z/Yen, a think-tank and venture firm in the City of London; Emeritus Professor and Chairman at Gresham College; an alderman of the City of London; and a founder of Long Finance.

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